Natural Stone Restoration Alliance

Go Back   Natural Stone Restoration Alliance > Consumer & Non-registered Lounge > News.

News. Discuss, Polishing Concrete Blanks at Consumer & Non-registered Lounge forum; Are there any fabricators that would be interested in polished concrete countertop blanks? An example of the material and polish ...

Reply
 
LinkBack (11) Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-31-2006, 05:10 PM   2 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1 (permalink)
Protege
 
jim cuviello's Avatar

 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Annapolis, Maryland
Posts: 416
Photos 0

Polishing Concrete Blanks

Are there any fabricators that would be interested in polished concrete countertop blanks?

An example of the material and polish can be seen in the picture below.














The concrete can be colored during the mixing so it is colored through out or dyed.

I have been working on this mix for about a year. We have had a faricator do some testing on their equipment they use for granite and had no problems.

In time I should be able to offer full size 3cm slab.
__________________
Jim Cuviello
jim cuviello is offline   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old 05-31-2006, 06:58 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #2 (permalink)
Protege
 
Mark Calvillo's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Anaheim, California
Posts: 54
Photos 0

Re: Looking for a "Blank: Expert

Mr. Cuviello,
Looking to get sample tops for training.
Are you selling the concrete tops?

Mark
__________________
est. 1988. StonePro Pimp
Mark Calvillo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2006, 09:08 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #3 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Topshop's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Manchester, CT
Posts: 1,754
Photos 13

Re: Polishing Concrete Blanks

Concrete blanks? You must be the son of Lucifer himself.
Topshop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2006, 09:53 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #4 (permalink)
Instructor
 
Huligar's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: NY
Posts: 7,917
Photos 116

Send a message via MSN to Huligar Send a message via Skype™ to Huligar
Re: Polishing Concrete Blanks

fr)jg8_)
__________________
To provide quality natural stone care, restoration and maintenance through a network of qualified natural stone professionals.



Please do not PM me for support. Please request help on the forums.
Huligar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2006, 12:34 AM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #5 (permalink)
Protege
 
jim cuviello's Avatar

 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Annapolis, Maryland
Posts: 416
Photos 0

Re: Polishing Concrete Blanks

Mark,

We do make concrete tops. Soon to be making blanks and then full slabs.


Jo,

The fabricators don't look in the block head section and I wanted to find out if any would be interested. Can you also post this somewhere that the fabricators will see it?


David,

Only a distant cousin. LOL

Concrete countertops are getting more popular and will continue for sometime. Engineered stone is hear to stay so why not open your door to another profit center. There will be a percentage (small maybe) but some will not be buying from you because they have decided on concrete. Why loose the customer? Especially when you can offer something no other person making concrete countertops can offer. Refinement, perfection and selection of edges. These guys making concrete countertops are putting out some pretty crude stuff.

Just a thought.
__________________
Jim Cuviello
jim cuviello is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2006, 12:37 AM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #6 (permalink)
Instructor
 
Huligar's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: NY
Posts: 7,917
Photos 116

Send a message via MSN to Huligar Send a message via Skype™ to Huligar
Re: Polishing Concrete Blanks

Jim is this better?
__________________
To provide quality natural stone care, restoration and maintenance through a network of qualified natural stone professionals.



Please do not PM me for support. Please request help on the forums.
Huligar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2006, 01:13 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #7 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Topshop's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Manchester, CT
Posts: 1,754
Photos 13

Re: Polishing Concrete Blanks

What are the advantages and disadvantages? If you think there is a market for this give me a list. Anyone who wants to sell it will need to justify its existance to their customers - and please in a non-biased way after all I do fabricate granite and am not an ES supplier so I hate "knocking the competition" type of advertising.
Topshop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2006, 07:24 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #8 (permalink)
Protege
 
jim cuviello's Avatar

 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Annapolis, Maryland
Posts: 416
Photos 0

Re: Polishing Concrete Blanks

Advantages to you being able to supply it?

It is going to be getting more popular and you will loose a percentage of business to concrete. I can't tell you how much business you will loose but it will be something. Maybe not enough to concern you but any lose of a customer who could bring additional profit is a loss. When done in molds it can be customized and made unique. In a slab or blank form it also can be customized to some extent. For example if someone likes a specific color of glass it can be mixed in with the concrete mix, etc.


Functional advantages of the product over other countertop materials?

It depends how it was finished. We are experimenting with Tenax resins. Let's be honest, there are very few if any functional advantages of it over granite or ES.


Disadvantages?

The list is endless!

You can liken the product to an exotic stone that is porous. It needs sealing and or resining. If done right you can make it almost stain proof.



So why would anyone want it?

Because it's different and unique. Most homes these days have granite countertops. There is not grand about granite anymore. There was a day when having granite countertops was exclusive. Now it is almost like an everyday material you see in kitchens. A lot of builders have made them standard in mid level homes. Standard! As a homeowner is having something standard what you want or do you want something new, cool and unique?

Let’s face it consumers’ base buying decisions on emotions and public perceptions. Concrete in homes is the latest craze and it’s getting bigger. Designers and Architects are push homeowners to concrete. The push use to be granite and it still has the higher percentage but concrete is starting to take some of that.



Hope that answers your question.

Concrete is not a superior product in anyway but it is what the public is starting ask for and wants!
__________________
Jim Cuviello
jim cuviello is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2006, 10:15 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #9 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Topshop's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Manchester, CT
Posts: 1,754
Photos 13

Re: Polishing Concrete Blanks

Are you doing anything to support the blanks for shipping like mesh on the bottom or is the mix actually strong enough to be safe for travel? What thickness are they? How much do they weigh? How big are they? I assume that rods are needed around sink holes. What kind of edge profiles will you supply them in? Can you make the seams disappear? That is a huge issue with granite blanks - more seams.

What would a salesman tell his customers to get them to buy this product? I hope that they would not have to rely on telling them that it is the latest fad.

I don't mean to press you but these are the things you will have to deal with if you wanted to sell this to the general consumer.
Topshop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2006, 12:54 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #10 (permalink)
Protege
 
jim cuviello's Avatar

 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Annapolis, Maryland
Posts: 416
Photos 0

Re: Polishing Concrete Blanks

We are still in the development stage, there are a lot of unanswered questions. Actually, the whole project has been put on hold because lack of time. I am getting ready to start pursuing it again. We have not transported them long distances so I do not have an exact answer for you. I do not think any meshing would be necessary for transporting. The mix is filled with a significant amount of strengthening fibers. We are able to break pieces in half with a hammer and still have the fibers hold the two pieces together. Initial testing has showed the mix to dry at 7,500-8,000 PSI. They are 3cm and although we have not played with 2cm I do not think that will be a problem. They weigh 17 ½ - 18 ½ pounds per square foot depending on what is mixed in with them. No rods needed around sink holes. Look at this picture. On the thin side it is only 3� wide.





I guess I am ignorant to exactly what blanks are. We will manufacturer the piece approximately 2’ wide and any length you want and polish one side. You put what ever edge the customer wants and make any cuts necessary. At the point we have full size slabs you handle them and work them just like a slab of granite. Seems disappearing? Don’t know. What is being produced is less than perfect and being done in hand made custom molds made of melamine board. Actually, a lot of it is very crude. People interested in concrete understand they are not going to get perfection like granite. That is part of the appeal. ALTHOUGH, this is where I am going against the general thinking with the product we want to produce. I will get to that latter. Below is a link to pictures on Concrete Network. These tops are very well done and are being produced by the best in the industry but most of what is being produced is crap.

http://www.concretenetwork.com/photo...ountertops.htm

Look at the edges, they are all square. You can offer them multiple edge styles. Go to Google and type in “concrete countertops� and search for images.

You have to understand the concrete countertop market. I have posted some reasons why they are getting popular but go to the link below and read more.

http://www.concretenetwork.com/concr...ountertops.htm

Go hear for FAQ.

http://www.concretenetwork.com/concr...ops/index.html

Some of the information I don’t agree with. They are only considering/talking about a specific type of customer and everyone makes there tops different so you can’t make some of the blanket statements they are making.

Let me ask you, “What would a salesman tell his customers to get them to buy granite?�

You don’t try to “sell� a customer concrete countertops. You “offer� concrete as an option and you will have customers that will “only want� concrete and nothing else. For customers who are interested in concrete sell them on what you have to offer.

This is what we/you have to offer and how we are going against the general thinking/trend. The awareness of concrete is growing and it will get more popular. Actually, it is going to get bigger than you would have ever imagined. There will be a market for those who are looking for custom tops with intergraded custom drain boards, sinks, etc. This market will want that rough semi finished look. There will also be a market who want concrete because it will become a trend just as stone has. Yes, stone is also a trend and a fad. Especially, since pricing has come down from what it once was. Architects, designers and kitchen and bath retailers drive the market. They are the one who steer the general public’s perception on what they should have in their kitchens and baths. Stone did not get popular without the help of these people. As the awareness of concrete gets more popular more and more will inquire about it. There will be a percentage of people who want concrete but will not want the rough semi finished look. They will want refinement and the refinement of the material is what you have to offer. You will be able to offer a refined polish (I like to polish the top, who would have ever thought concrete could be polished to a glass like shine with clarity? That’s pretty cool and different! Most of these tops do not get polished because they do not understand how to do it.), beautifully cut, shaped and polished edges, and a product that is different from any other concrete countertop available.
__________________
Jim Cuviello
jim cuviello is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://www.nsraweb.com/forums/news-5/polishing-concrete-blanks-1633.html
Posted By For Type Date
Concrete Polishing 101 March 27-30 - Natural Stone Restoration Alliance This thread Refback 06-10-2008 05:42 PM
Natural Stone Restoration Alliance - View Single Post - Polishing Concrete Blanks Post #10 Refback 06-21-2007 12:54 AM
Natural Stone Restoration Alliance - View Single Post - Polishing Concrete Blanks Post #9 Refback 06-21-2007 12:53 AM
Natural Stone Restoration Alliance - View Single Post - Polishing Concrete Blanks Post #8 Refback 06-21-2007 12:53 AM
Natural Stone Restoration Alliance - View Single Post - Polishing Concrete Blanks Post #7 Refback 06-21-2007 12:53 AM
Natural Stone Restoration Alliance - View Single Post - Polishing Concrete Blanks Post #6 Refback 06-21-2007 12:52 AM
Natural Stone Restoration Alliance - View Single Post - Polishing Concrete Blanks Post #5 Refback 06-21-2007 12:52 AM
Natural Stone Restoration Alliance - View Single Post - Polishing Concrete Blanks Post #4 Refback 06-21-2007 12:52 AM
Natural Stone Restoration Alliance - View Single Post - Polishing Concrete Blanks Post #3 Refback 06-21-2007 12:51 AM
Natural Stone Restoration Alliance - View Single Post - Polishing Concrete Blanks Post #2 Refback 06-21-2007 12:51 AM
Natural Stone Restoration Alliance - View Single Post - Polishing Concrete Blanks Post #1 Refback 06-21-2007 12:51 AM

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Concrete Polishing 101 March 27-30 jim cuviello Calendar Events 0 01-23-2007 12:01 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC7
Natural Stone Restoration Alliance - nsraweb.com
Concept By: Josveek Huligar - of: Huligar Stone

 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54