Live testing of a kitchen for Radon before Granite is install

[Al Gerhart]

Huligar,

ask someone else to read Bill's study on the granite emanation. It is so obvious. Do you not understand that AARST and CCRDP (the state radiation officials that meet at the same convention) started working on granite measurement protocols and also are setting maximum allowed levels of both Radon and radiation from granite countertops? Do you not understand that even the MIA agreed that there was an issue with Radon and radiation from granite?

Call Chuck at the MIA, their technical guy on this.

You are just digging the hole deeper on this, admit the lie before someone else does it for you.

[Huligar]

So there you go again offering an EXCUSE when the truth will do.

[Huligar]

Hey Al, who all would you like me to call.
You do understand that when I do it is going to invite them to this topic.

[Al Gerhart]

Huligar,

You just don't get it do you? You don't understand what people tell you whether it be in person or in a post. Either that or you lie about what they say. You don't need to call anyone. I'll send the contact info to others once Bill gets back home.

[Huligar]

You do understand if you send information to others you can not claim that you send it to me. We are not going to have you telling people that you send me information when you did not, are we?

I still remember you you claiming you dent me contact information about the hot slabs when you did not. as for now not telling me who i should speak to, to get my fact straight you now refusing to educate me? Hmmm, maybe I should not have told you that I was going to have them come here and educate you. Dude at ever turn I have left the back door open for you to slip out with out loosening face, do you really want me to cut off your escape route?

Like we all have told you over and over, all we want is the truth and for you to admit that you misunderstood what you read. No one will blame you, after all these guys that you try to quot had to put in a lot of study time just to pass a few test that you have never taken. it is ok not to understand it all? I will not whole against you. I was in the same room with these guys and had to keep asking them to explain it to me while making sure that my questions were focus on one topic at a time.

Al let me ask you a question, When did you start working with granite?
That was a very simple question that I would like a simple answer for.

[Al Gerhart]

Huligar,

for about the fifth time, it is useless to send it to you since you can't understand what you are being told by the Radon experts. I am going to send it to two of your members, then I'll post which two I sent it to. No use wasting the expert's time, let them explain it to someone who can understand it.

And you know that two of your members got the contact info for the dealer in PA, with an entire bundle of not only hot slabs waiting for you, but they were large Radon producing slabs as well. And he was going to give you a real deal on the slabs since they weren't saleable anyway.

Huligar wrote:

" I was in the same room with these guys and had to keep asking them to explain it to me while making sure that my questions were focus on one topic at a time."

Huligar, it seems you are admiting that they had to keep explaining it to you over and over again. I am thinking that you might be trying to be an honest man but that the subject is way, way, over your head. As you said, there is no shame in that, but when you continue to claim the opposite of what the experts found in their studies, you are coming off as trying to lie about this.

Stop arguing, wait till Bill gets back home, or have someone read those studies for you on the AARST site so they can explain it to you. It is plain as day, even the SFA quit arguing. The MIA said they will quit denying it as well. Granite can have large levels of radiation and Radon, end of debate.

I am right, I have always been right on this issue, and you need to acknowledge that fact if you want to particpate in solving the problems.

A few years working granite Huligar, but about five years now studying it, including using the NSRA website.

But that is not the issue, we aren't talking about fabricating granite, we are talking about you misrepresenting the facts that came out at the AARST conference.



I tried to educate you by sending you the links to the papers and studies presented at the AARST conference, but you eithe won't read them, or don't understand them.

[rockwell]

LOL, this thread is getting too funny. Everyone getting worked up about something that may or may not take a few years off your life. We're all going to die anyways, so what's the big deal about alittle radon in stone, if it makes you happy? There are ppl eating greasy foods that will kill them faster. America has more over weight ppl than anywhere else in the world, you have your own fellow americans trying to bomb you, like the oklahoma bomber. I think living in Oklahoma increases your chance of dying sooner with all your tornadoes running through. Research shows too much red meat will kill you, i'm sure they have their own funny thread as well. Next to heart disease, wrong prescription drugs is the number 2 killer, yet some ppl are worried about the stone in their house.

[Huligar]

Yes AL, they did have to explain it over to me simply because I wanted to get the facts and not jump to a conclusion.That is the difference between you and I. I had other people come up and try to jump into conversations at the show and had others explain to them how wrong they were.This is why I am not coming down on you. You need to listen and read with a clear head.

Like I said to you over and over again I was hoping that you were correct in order for us to have a new service. But you are not, maybe one day you will man up and say sorry for your misunderstanding, but until then, continue as you have. All you are doing is making more work for me.

As far as you knowing Stanley P. Liebert, the man said he does not know you, and the most he ever did was to tell you by email how to get into the show. Now could he have lied to me, that is possible but why would he do that? This makes me think that you are further gone than I first believed.

Now you said you start working on granite with in the last five years. What did you work with before you started working on granite?

[Al Gerhart]

Rockwell,
you are correct that there are many other issues of more concern, however, no one is lying about the health risks of the things you mention. It is common knowledge, and people have the ability to make an informed decision, a choice if you will, to avoid any risk.

The granite industry is like the tobacco industry, fighting like mad to keep this issue under wraps. They don't want you to know of any risks from owning a hot granite countertop, nor do they want their employees to know the dangers of working with radioactive material and the resulting dust.

This is all about the public and the workers right to know.

Huligar,

You come back from the show and say exactly the opposite of what Bill Brodhead said and wrote. I have posted links to the acutal study at the AARST website. Dude, you got caught red handed lying about what the entire conference was buzzing about. Now have some shame and admit that you either lied or didn't understand a word they were saying.

As to Liebert, you are lying about that as well. I got a call while waiting in Denver about your actions, taking videos without asking. Stan told me that after the heated discussion by two guys that you video taped, you turn to him and said "What the F*** were they saying?". We met Stan and his buddy George at the Flamingo late Monday night, I got to hear all about Huligar being at the show. We had dinner with Stan, George, and George's wife Ruth on Tuesday night at the AARST night out dinner at the Antique Car museum.

Stan said you claimed to be the guy that removed hot granite countertops. He said he busted your chops a bit, said he didn't know there was someone that did only that.

BV claimed you told him you were a granite fabricator and didn't want to be sued over the granite countertops you were installing.

Huligar, you got caught lying. People will know better than to trust you from now on, and for what? You should have know I would show back up and post links to the studies and papers, how could you have thought you could get away with it?

I sent Kowboy (Joe Corlet) a few of Stan's past emails, hopefully he will chime in soon and provide more proof that you are factually challenged. :-)

[Huligar]

Wow, you ever heard the saying, "if you give a man a hole in a rope that is tied to a tree he would hang himself faster rather than climb out". Al you are that man, and it is fun to see you hurt yourself.

Make your claims as to what you think the truth is, but to say that I lie will not get under my skin because by Tuesday you will eat all your words, and I will not be the one feeding them to you.