Live testing of a kitchen for Radon before Granite is install

[Al Gerhart]

Huligar,

You still haven't addressed the difference between what you claimed Brodhead told you and what he published in his study and presented at the AARST convention.

Dude, I proved that you lied. Why will anyone take anything you do seriously?

[Huligar]

Dude read it over and open your eyes, do not substitute the word concrete for granite.

[Huligar]

Al, I did not think it was going to take you this long to see where and how you misunderstood his paper.
As for Dr. Kitto, He has taken no position at this time, like others he doesn't see granite making significant changes and wishes to do more testing.

As far as us not believing we can not find a hot slab, we believe no matter how hot of slab you think you have, the radon is insignificant when place in a home, hence our own testing.

I see you have like 12 versions of the same video in hopes to scare people.
Do you have any idea of what that little meter is reading?

When you find one of the rare slabs that consistently measures 25 uR/h or more (over the current background), you may have found one that has too much of one or more of the following minerals that may produce gamma radiation:

Potassium (Produces some gamma radiation but no radon gas. It is found in most rocks and soil and in many foods and your own bones too.)
Uranium (Produces Thorium and Radium.)
Thorium (Produces Thoron gas, which the US EPA does not consider to be a major hazard at this time.)
Radium (Produces radon gas.)
Radon Gas (May be trapped deep in the stone, but has not yet escaped the stone's surface. The gas then breaks down into Radon's daughter products.)
Radon's decay (daughter) products (That are trapped in the stone and will never escape, but instead they will decay into very tiny particles of non-radioactive lead.)

Al, do not feel bad that Stan disowned you. If he lies and said that he does not know you for what ever reason you need to take that up with him, but I still find it funny that he would toss you to side like some kind of trash. Al, it is not too late to redeem yourself, all you have to do is start looking for the truth as we are doing and it will be all good once again. My report stands as follows and so does our first research paper and we are confident that the testing my all will draw the same conclusion in the end.

Al, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem, and as I see it now, you are the problem with all of your blogging with out the facts and your personal vendetta with the stone fabricator that open up shop five years ago that almost crushed your business, and forced you to start using natural stone. I am very sorry that you have not mastered the techniques that are required to fabricate, template, install, and repair natural stone. We are willing to help you in the area of repair, this way you would not have to bash the stone industry for your own shortcomings.

Lets get back on topic, what else about this test do you find wrong?
You are still welcome to come to NY and run your own nondestructive test in this kitchen.

Thanks for waiting. I just got back from Vegas where the people who come up with programs to deal with Radon and Radiation were having a conference and one of the topics was building materials.

I personally spoke to Stanley P. Liebert of CMT Laboratories who denied any direct or indirect correspondence with our Al or the SSA. Mr. Liebert went on to say that the only thing that he is hoping to point out is the fact that 10 out of the 2000 granites emit some radiation. This however, does not directly translate to what we have been reading on the web. That is, if you have a slab that has some traces of radiation it will give off radon with in the next ten generations. Mr. Liebert is also the proud owner of granite as well. He thinks it’s crazy for someone to remove a counter top simply because of one area that may show a reading.

I also had the pleasure of speaking with Erik Listou of Build Responsible, Gary Hodgden of AAIR Professionals, Bill Brodhead of WPB Enterprises Inc, and Shawn Price of Air Chek, Inc. These guys gave me a crash course in radiation and radon while confirming that we had the hottest stone measured to date.

Everyone that I spoke to all had the same conclusion. At this time the radiation from natural stone has no significant bearing on the radon levels in a home. It was also explained and demonstrated that the meters on the market are not the best tools to go hunting for radon coming from natural stone. The areas of a slab can be easily avoided or even removed if deemed necessary.

In the NSRA test kitchen, the numbers before the installation were all very low. All were less than 0.3 pCi/l on the days of testing (about as low as anyone can measure.)

The test kit in the hall was 0.6 pCi/l
The test kit hanging in the door way was 0.8
The test kit hanging from the cabinets was 0.7
And the one we hung 12" over the "hottest" spot was 1.0 pCi/l

This test was done in a way to make sure we got the highest readings possible. We now intend on testing the home as if we were simply testing for radon in the home.

[hoboal]

Huligar, After all Mr Gerhart has put you and the NSRA through, I must commend you that you're still willing to help him in the preservation & restoration of natural stone once he admits to his short comings. (IMO) HE'll never admit that he was wrong, due to the fact he has sold his soul to the ES corporations & Radon testing company's,#2 He has thousands of man hours in spreading his message that granite will cause cancer or even worst kill you via Internet PR, Blogs, Forums... Too much crow from him to swallow.
Al- Consider yourself lucky that Huligar will even have anything to do with...... HE a better man then me in this matter, at least I admit that. It's ok to cry uncle on this forum, nobody will fault you for it. In fact people will respect you for it.

[Huligar]

Hobo Al, trust me, I am not a bigger man than you, I am just focused on the truth and I simply take pity on Al. I now understand Al, I see why he feels the need to do what he does, and that is why I am willing to help him in the repair aspect of the stone world. Most of us have done the same thing that Al is trying to do when we feel that someone is take work from us, we just never took it as far as he did. The biggest mistake that he made is to try and punish a whole industry simply because he could not compete with the guy down the street.

No one except for Al has come to a full conclusion over radon and granite. When Al first came to this forum his message was very simple; Granite has Radon and it will kill you. After the guys on this forum start asking questions and reading what he wrote, and he did not get banned from this forum as he did from so many others: he found himself with his back to the wall, not only were we willing to listen to him, but also willing to take necessary steps to get to the truth. Al made us an offer we could not refuse, he was going to come to NY and show us that hot slabs was all over the place. As time marched on, Al came up with all types of reasons not to come to NY. I was willing to buy his ticket, pay for the hotel, and drive him where ever he needed to go to find this "hot" slab. As you know, Al did not come to NY just so he can claim that the slab that we came up with did not have a high reading.

The members of the NSRA core do not play around. Not only did we find a slab that made the meter jump, we also found a slab that really had the type of radiation that we should be worried about not just the harmless stuff that can make the meter react.

Al will do what he feels is necessary to discredit the testing due to the fact he has no clue what the outcome may be, and seeing that he has no control over that, he is going to try and discredit me. What Al does not understand, the more he tries to discredit me or the test we will just continue to refine the test so not even Al can find something bad to say about the testing.

[Huligar]

As of this moment we have four instruments that was requested by viewers like yourself.

The big blue box that is on the top is the CRM 510 Continuous Radon monitor from Femto Tech Radon Monitors || Radon Inspections || Femto-Tech, Inc.

The small device next to the yellow tag is the Safety Siren Pro Series II Radon Gas Detector. SafetySiren PRO-II Radon Gas Detector

next to that we have the Telaire that will make sure we are not cheating,it check how often fresh air comes into the space. 7001D - Telaire 7001 Carbon Dioxide Monitor

You will also see two of four Short Term
Radon Test Kit from air chck. https://securechek.com/DIY/index.html

we also have the clock just so you see we are still alive.
I believe we will get some more kits on Monday.

If you all have any ideas or doubts about what we are doing, please speak up so we can come up with the correct conclusion at the end of the testing.

[realgranitetops]

Jo..I am PROUD to be a member of NSRA..and what you have done is making me even more so, so much so that I want to have a NSRA sticker made and have it on EVERYTHING..to show how proud I am.


Talk is cheap...and may others have just TALKED about this radon, but YOU did a ME on this.you SHOWED the FACTS.



I am yet to reply to Mr Kowboy on the other post, I only started doing what I do ..SHOWING people the TRUTH..after 2 home shows here in Australia..opening day I went up and introduced myself to the ES companies that also had displays stating YES we are opposition but hey there is room for all and let the customers decide.


By mid day the distributor whom I was helping came up to me and said IF ANOTHER person comes up to him and says THEY SAID you can not put hot pots on GRANITE like you can on their product..!!! and Granite has to be sealed EVERY six months, Granite has to be POLISHED ever year..etc etc etc


So I walked onto THEIR stand WAITED until there were NO customers on their stand with a sample of BOTH products and SHOWED them the TRUTH !!!..there response was THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO BE DOING THIS..!!! To which I replied " well you shoud have thought of that BEFORE you started " and if ANOTHER person comes up to us and says that..I would stand in front of their stand and SHOW it continually !!!!

The following day they had the BOSS there and not the GIRLS !!! he did not say a word for the next 9 days of the home show !!!!


This happens and every home show we do !! well at the start of the show...lmao and EVERY customer that calls into our showrooms... it was my CUSTOMERS that told me to SHOW more of the public the TRUTH and why we made the add for television... pity we could only afford to run it with one tv station....BUT yesterday had a builder and his wife in and SHE is going to put it on U-TUBE...lmao..SHE said this HAS to be shown as WE also thought ES was better than granite as their sales people TOLD US exactly what I had SHOWN them to be BULLSHIT !!!

I SHOWED them not just TALKED..like they said the EYES see !!! the TRUTH..

I just got sick of ALL the bullshit they spread and HAD to DO something more than TALK !!..you know MY dad will beat up your dad ..lol ..no he wont MY dad is bigger nar nah nar nah... type of talk !!... or HE said we said !!!!! TALK IS CHEAP !!!

[Huligar]

realgranitetops, we would love to have you and others like you in the NSRA core. You should consider joining us.

Yes we like to be upfront with what we do. If natural stone has a problem, we are the ones that fix it. We are not here to bash any other surface; all we ask is you sell the surface on its own merits. Is that too much to ask?

by the way your ad is on you tube.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npTB8dA7tBw[/media]

[GYANNI]

Jo,
you may want to read this article and keep the levels of Radon in your home NOT TOO LOW.

Exposure To Low Levels Of Radon Appears To Reduce The Risk Of Lung Cancer, New Study Finds

"ScienceDaily (Mar. 26, 2008) — Exposure to levels of radon gas typically found in 90 percent of American homes appears to reduce the risk of developing lung cancer by as much as 60 percent, according to a study published in the March issue of the journal Health Physics."

The poor owners of Cambria and Silestone plastic surfaces should rip them off and replace them with a new healing granite counter. I wouldn't risk and take the chances of getting lung cancer just because I have a plastic counter.
Which one is the hottest and most curative, again?

The sky is falling! Silestone and Cambria increase the chances of getting lung cancer because they don't emit low doses of the now curative Radon! Please hurry, get me a reporter from the NYT.

On another issue, we all should quit drinking coffe, becuase it's dangerous. No wait.... a little dose of caffeine is good against Alzeimer and other diseases..or was it a higher dose against Alzeimer and a lower dose against something else? I'll check on drinkclean.com and get back with you.

[realgranitetops]

Jo..how do I become a core member ..?

Do I have permission to have stickers made of NSRA to put on our vechiles and showroom ..Tee shirts etc....?


Shawn will be there soon so have a chat with him,,,he is staying on for 4 extra days now !! so FILL HIM up with info contacts etc etc... we do want him to meet with BONSTONE and ALPHA !!!


I think we need a CATCHIER title to the u-tube clip to make people look !! can anyone suggest one ..??