Stupid Question

[Koessler]

Well I'm going to hold off purchasing the stuff. I called the only local distributor, and the staff didn't know that they even carried the product. They did know they had brochures. f[[

I visited their booth at Coverings, and was impressed with their product at the time. I'm never impressed with aerasol cans (except my favorite window cleaner). I found out the product was available in straight liquid form.

I've seen this stuff advertised in Tile Letter for years, and I thought it was even backed by the TCA.

Should be interesting what I learn on Monday from Dry Treat!kku]

[Huligar]

Lou, for the past few days every mention of sealer I see you post that the sealer sucks. well all but one sealer that claims to be a VOC compliant solvent. Anyone can claim some other sealers suck. you know what, Stone Pro new VOC solvent sucks to high hell, it did not preformed as i was told it would, I was very disapointed with this crap.

See I could do this too in fact


I can do this all day.
Lou where is the proof that all the sealers you dislike suck.

Below is not true and I hope you all can tell that it is completly made up.
I received the new voc sealer on 10-12-1988, I tried it in one of the customers homes that had a white marble. once I open the container the home owner had to run to the hills, but the dog stayed and did backflips I returned to home two days after sealing the stone and notice that the white stone was now fire engine red, this sealer was not the best choice for this stone.

	sealer Impregnation: This is commonly known as sealers. This is the first stage in preserving and maintaining your investment. This stage should occur ever six to eight months. There are three types of impregnation (solvent, water, silicone based), regardless to brand. This will stop most water base stains from occurring. It also will stop the stone from been damage beyond repair.

	Marble MARBLE: CHARACTERISTICS This standard includes general information on the characteristics and common uses of marble and identifies typical problems associated with the material. INTRODUCTION Marble is an extremely hard, metamorphic stone composed of calcite (CaCO3). It is formed as a result of the recrystallization of limestone under the intense pressure and heat of geologic processes. The effect of this process is the creation of a stone with a very tight crystalline structure and small but definite porosity. Because of its structure, marble can take a very high polish and is a very popular decorative stone for architectural and sculptural uses. The limited porosity of marble, especially polished marble, makes it less vulnerable to the leaching effects of water. Calcium carbonate, however, of which marble is composed, is highly susceptible to attack by acidic agents. Marble is readily dissolved by acids, even very dilute acids, however the actual results of acidic exposure will vary with the nature of the acid. Chlorides, nitrates, sulfates and other chemical compounds react differently with marble and produce various by-products, which have a wide range of solubility and impact on the durability of marble. For this reason, it is always important to determine the exact type of pollutants causing marble deterioration. Marble itself can be of two types, one composed of calcite and the other of dolomite. Dolomitic marble is much more resistant to acid attack than calcite marble. The color of marble ranges from the brilliant white of calcite to black, including blue-gray, red, yellow and green, depending upon the mineral composition. TYPICAL USES Marble has many decorative and structural uses. It is used for outdoor sculpture as well as for sculpture bases; in architecture it is used in exterior walls and veneers, flooring, decorative features, stairways and walkways. The way in which the stone is used may be a factor in limiting or controlling the severity of exposure. The use or function of the marble may also affect the feasibility of applying certain treatments, but type of use is not the primary factor in the major types of deterioration and damage to which marble is susceptible.

[Lou Noble]

hahahahaha...Jo!! I can tell you those suck because i have tried them all, hows that?!?! What kinda proof do you need, pics, lab reports...

you could tell me that my product sucks... that would be really funny because you havent tried it, that i know. For someone who prides himself on being in the know, you sure get touchy when the "old" products get checked out.

What sealers have i trashed unfairly?

[Eric W]

Originally Posted by Lou Noble

hahahahaha...Jo!! I can tell you those suck because i have tried them all, hows that?!?! What kinda proof do you need, pics, lab reports...

you could tell me that my product sucks... that would be really funny because you havent tried it, that i know. For someone who prides himself on being in the know, you sure get touchy when the "old" products get checked out.

What sealers have i trashed unfairly?

Louie,

I don't think Huligar was trying to be an ass it just comes natural. When he ask for proof, I think that what he was really trying to get. If you have something just show it so not just Jo but all of us would like to see it, we can't just go on well Lou said "it sucks" so what do you have? And as the part where he said he's tried your product read it again, it was an example.

[Huligar]

Hey Lou, if you read the post you and all can see I never try your sealer (10-12-1988). I have not tried it because you have not sent it. Read the disclaimer. we need when, where and what happen to the stone.

	sealer Impregnation: This is commonly known as sealers. This is the first stage in preserving and maintaining your investment. This stage should occur ever six to eight months. There are three types of impregnation (solvent, water, silicone based), regardless to brand. This will stop most water base stains from occurring. It also will stop the stone from been damage beyond repair.

[Eric W]

Originally Posted by Lou Noble

What sealers have i trashed unfairly?

One more thing. Without proof. All of them that were trashed was unfairly. IMHO. I still think the lithofin has a great sealer. What test have you run and did it fail? Who makes the stonepro line?

	sealer Impregnation: This is commonly known as sealers. This is the first stage in preserving and maintaining your investment. This stage should occur ever six to eight months. There are three types of impregnation (solvent, water, silicone based), regardless to brand. This will stop most water base stains from occurring. It also will stop the stone from been damage beyond repair.

[Lou Noble]

I know that was an example...

As for test results... I really was wondering how You would like them... when you test a product it is not a common practice to take detailed notes or lab reports etc... You see if the product works and if it does great you tell people if not you do the same thing.

[Eric W]

Originally Posted by Lou Noble

I know that was an example...

As for test results... I really was wondering how You would like them... when you test a product it is not a common practice to take detailed notes or lab reports etc... You see if the product works and if it does great you tell people if not you do the same thing.

Lou, going from good to sucks is a big deal. When you test two good sealers old vs new side by side, all the sudden the older version now sucks, thats pretty damn big. What is the new stuff doing to make that big of a differences. Take Lithofin, HMK, Stonetech and a few more. They will hold a stain out till the cows come home. So what does the new stuff do thats so good, hold a stain out?

[Lou Noble]

Technology is the difference... the same reason we upgrade our cars... If tested side by side your first car and the car you have now, one would be classified as suck the other would be great. granted both will get you from A to B but the technology behind the new car far out-classes the old making it suck.

As far as beading...(ill go of the three brands that you mentioned)
: the lithofin and hmk products (all of them) are using the "silicone technology" which was great 10-20 years ago... but as we all know silicone sealers dont repel oil too great, they are smelly, and they leave a white hazy layer if not put down " just right".

Stone Tech Pro products all use a Flouro Polymer sealing technology, which is lifetimes better than silicone but still doesnt last long under uv rays and if in a heavy traffic area will wear off easily. Also now that the VOC laws are in effect all they have is the water base stuff. the water base stuff, you will see hazes up just like the silicone if not applied the right way.

the beads on all three of these brands have a great bead at first but after about 15-20 mins the bead loosens and begins to let stains in.

the new products are all VOC compliant, they dry as fast as acetone with no "haze", and use a Flouro carbon technology which changes the surface tention of the stone making it repel water and oil better and longer.

[Koessler]

Hi Lou,

How can I get samples of your product? Do you carry a full line? Where can I get more info?