stain/poulitice problem on granite

[2.3turbo]

^^i THINK Huligar meant use the acetone over the whole counter to get it uniform because your top had been resined to give it a darker colour. After the acetone it will likely be lighter and then use the Uniblack 1 & 2 ...

Jo?

[Huligar]

Thanks turbo, I forgot that I was talking to a home owner.

Clean all of the of the granite with the acetone to reveal the true color of the stone, once that is done you you can make the choice to keep the stone in its natural state or enhance the stone.

If you wish to enhance the stone you may do so with the uniblack1. The enrich n seal is a bit too thick to penetrate the surface of polished stone, the uniblack would work best in your case.

[Steve Patrick]

An added note Grace. If you are going to undertake this project yourself, be very careful w\ acetone.The stuff will take the finish off virtually everything. Cover all surfaces including cabinets, wear protectant gloves and open your windows- keep it well ventilated.

[glenn k]

I have found that you can use tenax ager tiger to darken the light areas. in this case you would not need to use the acetone for the whole counter. just my 2 cents.

[Bill Dixon]

Originally Posted by Huligar

The enrich n seal is a bit too thick to penetrate the surface of polished stone, the uniblack would work best in your case.

How can you say that, Jo?! Are you using some "special" rules of physics or something?

That's not true.

Enrich and Seal from AquaMix (I am assuming) is a great product for ANY stone-related surface, polished or not. Telling someone that any liquid is "too thick" to penetrate a polished natural stone surface (unless it is glass, ceramic, et. al.) is not only misleading but flat out WRONG.

This stuff WILL penetrate resined slabs of granite... Any liquid will.

I am stunned, Jo! Really. That is unbelievable.

I've used this stuff for years. I know.

Bill.

[Huligar]

Bill, before you jump in the ring with me, read my post and if you still do not understand please ask.
First off you are dealing with a homeowner, just because most stones will absorb the Enrich and Seal from AquaMix does not mean all black stones will. You nor I have seen this stone first hand so we have to think of the worst case scenario.

Now, to answer your direct question about "special" rules of physics or something, the something is taking several dark stones- some of them doctored, and apply the sealers in the same manner and allow to sit for the same amount of time then cutting them in half to see how far the chemical was absorbed. Wait... we did not stop with just that, we than took both halves of the stone and start cleaning one with Windex and the other with a stone soap, this was done everyday 2 times a day for 6 weeks just to see which one would fade first. Would you like to know which one faded after cleaning 84 times with Windex?

We try to give the homeowner every advantage that we can on this site. Most of us have a brand that we may like more than others, but when we give up the belief that it is best for every stone, we become better at what we do.

[Bill Dixon]

Well, Jo. you have a point there... But so do I.

Quite frankly people who fail to educate themselves with a ACCURATE knowlege about natural stone and thus service their product with the WRONG chemical reap what they sow.

Using Windex on anything but what it is intended for is just asking for it.

It's like saying "I wash may car with acetone because it cleans 'everything' ", and then complaining to the manufaturer and or autobody shop that the paint is faded or gone is completely insane.

I am sorry but I have no sympathy for those who through ignorance ruin something that is really just fine the way it is in the first place and refuse to shell out the dough (which isn't much) for the RIGHT product for their investment.

Who takes a Ferrari to Jiffy Lube for a tune up or for that matter ANYTHING at all?

So the damage is done... The home owner may have to use many different things to try and "fix-it-themselves", unfortunately. Sounds that just shy of replacing the piece they may have to "live with it" if the advice doesn't produce the results looked for.

As you mentioned Jo, Washing something (repeatedly) with the wrong chemical will lead to disasterous results.

Good luck. Sounds like you'll need it.

[Huligar]

Bill I would love to have this discussion with you, but this is not the area for shop talk of this kind. I would however agree with you on statement about Jiffy Lube and Windex. Have you ever seen a bug that was made over to look like a Ferrari? Or some poor soul who won a house or a car they can not maintain?

Ever since the prices of stone has dropped everyone has stone, some not knowing what they have or how to deal with it. Fab shops are popping up all over the place undercutting each other, slabs have been doctored to look like what they are not. Sales people are now driven by earnings not quality.

If someone takes the time to join this forum and ask a question, they deserve all the help we can give them. I do have sympathy for people that get the wrong information about caring for his/her stone, and as a restoration guy, I must be able to correct any damage that they may have done to the stone; so if that means using a chemical in my testing that I know is wrong, I will do so simply because when we get the call, they have already done something wrong.

We can take this further if you wish, but just not in this room or post.

[Defusco Industrial Supply]

Grace,
miracle seal and enhance is a color enhancing sealer. While it will darken most stones it may not darken your stone enough to match the rest of it.
Uniblack is a black resin based dye and topical durable barrier (#1 & #2 respectively) that was made to deal with the dyed black absolute coming out of China and India that is actually gray until treated to look black.
I have a question about YOUR stone - in the pics it doesn't look black at all, it looks brown. Or is that just a reflection with the lighting?
Mark

	sealer Impregnation: This is commonly known as sealers. This is the first stage in preserving and maintaining your investment. This stage should occur ever six to eight months. There are three types of impregnation (solvent, water, silicone based), regardless to brand. This will stop most water base stains from occurring. It also will stop the stone from been damage beyond repair.

[Philo]

A typical enhancer/sealer will not do much on a polished stone. They are typically used for honed or flamed surfaces. There is a product out there made by Akemi. Akemi Darkner Super is the only product I know of that will enhance polished material. It is used alot by fabricators who do bring in stone that is "stained" not surfaced polished. Once they try to polished the edge with diamonds, it is much lighter the the surface. Akemi Darkner Super works to get the edge to look like the top.

	sealer Impregnation: This is commonly known as sealers. This is the first stage in preserving and maintaining your investment. This stage should occur ever six to eight months. There are three types of impregnation (solvent, water, silicone based), regardless to brand. This will stop most water base stains from occurring. It also will stop the stone from been damage beyond repair.