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Old 01-10-2008, 08:53 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Rust Spots on Texas Cream Limestone.

most rust removers that carpet cleaners use are acid based and at that use to be very dangerous to use for your health but their is one rust remover out their that sometimes will work without etching i have had some succsess with it, it is a 4.5 on ph scale but if you are careful and quick it will remove the rust i recommend using a q-tip to try to prevent etching.

T-RUST PINT
Rust Remover

Don't use harsh acids to remove stubborn rust stains, T-Rust is much safer. It requires no neutralizing and you can rinse it with clear water. Simply apply it directly to the rust and in a few seconds you'll see it start to disappear.

* Non-Polluting
* Non-Corrosive

Dilut.= RTU RTU pH= 4.5
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Re: Rust Spots on Texas Cream Limestone.

Use Klenztone #3. Its an ammonium bi-flouride solution that usually will not alter the finish. It will take all of the dirt off or out of teh material though so I suggest that you do it on the entire hearth.

Even application with a squirt bottle is best and let it sit. Remove with a yet vac or preferrably an extractor. We have been very successful with this method on calcium based materials. NEVER USE IT ON GRANITE AND DO NOT LET IT TOUCH YOUR FIREPLACE GLASS IF HAVE ANY.
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Re: Rust Spots on Texas Cream Limestone.

The T-rust is good but it will etch everything it touches. I Like Master Blends rust remover a little more but they are the same basic chemical. Incidentally Klenzstone #3 is Ammonium bifluoride as well but it doesn't seam to etch most calcium based materials.
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Re: Rust Spots on Texas Cream Limestone.

If you get the purple stain; which happens. You can remove it with hydrogen peroxide by soaking the area and rubbing with a cotton cloth.
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Re: Rust Spots on Texas Cream Limestone.

I would like to see some images of you guys using your stuff to take out the rust.
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We have been very successful with this method on calcium based materials.
I would think it is the next way, use one granite and not on marble seen that it would etch glass. What is this purple stain you speak of, and why/when does it appear? Do these chemicals have any other reversed effects on the stone years down the line?
sorry guys, these chemicals that you speak of is new to me, and these are just a few questions that pop in my head. If you do not have the answers, tell me who makes the stuff an I/you can invite them to tell us more about the chemicals.
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Re: Rust Spots on Texas Cream Limestone.

The active ingredient is Ammonium bifluoride which will etch quartz crystals and glass (silicon dioxide) much like hydrofluoric acid. The effect on marble and other calcium based materials is minimal but etching can occur with any dilution and on any material. Testing should be done prior to using this material.

This chemical crates a rotten egg smell and can off gas severely. We use respirators even outside. Heavy exposure can injure your brain permanently. But the same is true with a lot of the acid and solvents we all use. My philosophy is always use a respirator.

But with all the danger, the upside to these products is immeasurable. You can spray it undiluted on a limestone floor that is severely stained let it sit for twenty minutes, scrub with a brush, rinse and vacuum, and it will look brand new. It might be the best cleaner for limestone, travertine, and flagstone that we've ever used. In some cases it out performs our high pressure truck mounts.

Regarding the purple stain. I've never had one. I think he might be referring to the purple color of the Alpha Rust Remover.

I guess if the surfaces are not neutralized enough the could be some adverse side effects but we have not experienced them yet. We have more then ten thousand pictures of different projects, if I can find an in progress picture and before and afters I will post them.

Regarding the Hydrogen Peroxide - It is a very strong oxidizer. We use it first on almost every stain to see if it will remove it. It's cheap, safe, and it does not etch. We use a special polishing powder that sometimes has a adverse effect on the grout lines turning them orange or red in a few spots on a floor. Simply soaking with Hydrogen Peroxide brings back the grout color with little effort.
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