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Old 05-22-2008, 06:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My experience with Edward Hartz of Hartzstone, LLC


A few weeks ago , Advance Stone Restoration got a reference call to do work on a cruiseliner at Pearl Harbor with a stone restoration contractor from connecticut, Hartzstone, LLC. A back ground check was done and verification for licenses and references check out. The owner, Edward Hartz of Hartzstone,Llc called me personality and gave some information on his project. Both parties worked out the details of pay and deposit for A.S.R. Since this job involved both man made stone and natural stone, Mr Hartzstone was informed that our specialist will only work on the marble and granite, Hartzstone,Llc. was responsible for the Silestone repairs and polishing.

Mr. Hartz arrived in Hawaii as planned, but everything did not go well for him. He was unsure if his shipment arrived. He also had not checked my e-mails asking him for further information. He always said he was too busy.
I met with him the night before starting the project to pick-up the deposit. These were travelers checks, and he did not countersign them.

The following day we went to Pearl Harbor to start on the cruiseliner. We took a while locating his shipment, and all the while Mr. Hartz was just complaining about the workers on the ship. He was already starting tp blame others before work were to commence.

We took a look at the area for restoration. It was a medallion that had a lot of cracks and chips and had previously been crystalized. Most of the problems were originating from under the medallion - the ships structure. But no problem for A.S.R. The cracklines in the marble portion were dirty and needed to be cleaned out. All this time, Mr. Hartz kept asking me what to do. And pretending to follow along. I asked him how he does business in connecticut. His reply " I have my technicians do all the work, I just over sees them."

The next day I came prepared with my diamond pads and adhesives (since his adhesives supposedly did not make it due to hazmat). I worked on my portion which was the marble. Grinded and polished it up. Mr. Hartz's was nowhere to be found, giving me the excuse he was looking for his hazmat items and complaining to crew on board about the lack of air conditioning, his missing shipment, as well giving the chief engineer alot grief.

By the time he came back I was done with my portion and had him start filling the cracks and chips. I notice Mr. Hartz was having difficulties working with the epoxy and colors! I asked him why. His reply was: "I never worked with this type of epoxy before." This was very unusual since most stone craftsmen work with the brand Akemi.

I asked him to work on certain areas for color-matching. He did not have any clue on how to do so and his colors were way off. Nonetheless, he filled the cracks which were not the right color.

He asked me to work on the silestone but I replied " That the detailed in the oral agreement calls for A.S.R. to restore only marble & granite. But he mentioned he never got that e-mail. But I reminded him what we discussed on the phone and he agreed. That night I finally had him countersign the travelers checks.

The third and thankfully the last day, I came in with him to fix most of his mistakes. But he got upset that I told him that it would take another 2 days to fix his mistakes. At that point he called it quits. And started making excuses about the jobs unfavorable conditions to complete work.

The remaining money owed for my services was to be paid cash as we had discussed before work began. Instead, he paid by his company check which I later noticed was post dated.

I would have thought that this was all, but this Mr. Hartz kept calling me after. He showed me an e-mail he received from the cruiseliner stating that he needed to complete work on the silestone and his area of mistakes. If not, he would need to return the money. He was panicking. I was surprised to see the amount that he had charged for an area no bigger than 100 square feet. It was $30,000, and he had already received $18,500 of it. He was very worried. But my portion of the work on the natural stone was done. I reminded him that he was responsible for the Silestone and for his mistakes. He agreed, but still did not know what to do.

I deposited the check soon after. About a week later, while I was visiting New York, I found out that the check had been stopped. Clearly, Ed Hartz had no indication of paying forour services. I called him asking to meet, but he either did not answer my calls, or replied that he was too busy to meet. He said he would square off on payment.

When I got back to Hawaii, I called him a number of times, but he avoided all calls. I e-mailed him about the situation. In his reply e-mail, he turned the tables around, and started blaming me, just as he had blamed everyone on the boat. In his email he wrote "Good luck" in trying to get paid for your services.

I have never dealt with such a business or person during the 17 years in this industry. Most of all, I am appalled by his behavior and business edicate. I hope that this message will caution any person, whether client or business, to do work with him.

Currently, Our company attorney is filing a judgement against him. I have also learned that post-dating checks is a federal crime.
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Hartzstone, LLC = Bad business

As far as i'm concern, Your problem is mine problem and i just want to help. All for one and one for all !!
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Old 09-29-2008, 01:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Glenn, I just go a call from Edward Hartz of Hartzstone, LLC He would like for me to remove your post. As you all know this site is set up like no other. Even if I could I would not remove the post simply because he threatened to sue me if I did not. So seen that I am going to be sue, I should tell you all what I know.

Edward Hartz of Hartzstone, LLC contacted me about a job he needing a hand with. He wanted me to stop what I was doing and take a trip to hawaii, the bad thing is he was not willing to pay what this trip was worth. Do to the fact that we had a NSRA member that could handle this job I turned him on to Advanced Stone Restoration. From the day he contacted Advanced Stone Restoration he started to look like a hack. I did some digging into his back ground just to find out that he likes to get things for free, you can check with ups who refuse to deliver anything to his address seen that he aways make claims that he never got the stuff or that the stuff is damage. How bad do you have to be for ups to black list you?
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Old 09-29-2008, 03:40 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Threatened to sue? I bet he can't even afford to pay the attorney the retainer to sue. He would have been better off just paying the bill for the work in the first place. The truth and his reputation catching up on him must be hurting his business so he wants someone to blame it on. This kind of thing just puts a black spot on our whole industry.

I can't believe that he gets published in the stone industry news.

Now he has renewed his negative image to be on the front lines - again.
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Old 09-29-2008, 03:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I have had the pleasure of doing two jobs in the past that he has worked on. I like Hartzstone, I get paid more when he works on the job first LOL.

How would you all deal with a person that does business in this manner?
I would love to tell you all the full story but I am going to leave that to glenn, Ed should be very happy that I did not take this trip with him. When Glenn came back to NY for the last floor class ED told him that he would pay the balance, but he never came to meet glenn and always had a story.
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Old 09-29-2008, 04:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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It sounds as if special Ed may have trouble telling the truth. Sometimes when people tell so many fibs they start to believe their own bull. He must have told himself that he paid Glenn.
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Old 09-30-2008, 12:51 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Little inside news on him. I heard he is selling his business. We have a mutual friend that told me that few weeks ago.
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guys like him are always ready to sell
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Old 09-30-2008, 01:19 AM   #9 (permalink)
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FLF82, I can confirm that. he has even ask if I wanted to buy in.
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He can't sell a bad reputation!!!!!
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